Thanksgiving Edition: FaithLeads.Tech Recap | Episode 014

In today’s podcast episode, Kenny Jahng and Dj Chuang will share how the digital world will help us reach more people. They will discuss and provide technical tips on how to do so. It is indeed important to build churches with buildings, land, with chairs and etc. but to enlarge the Kingdom, it is also important to engage on the digital world to take part of the Great Commission.

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INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT

Kenny Jahng: Well, hello friends with Kenny Jahng here with future.bible and across the interwebs, I’ve got my partner in crime, Dj Chuang today.

DJ Chuang: Yes across the continental 48 of the United States, back in California.

Kenny Jahng: East coast, west coast being made possible by the internet. This super highway connects with us today for a conversation that we’re going to have about allthings.bible. We are, actually, I think there’s two things that we’d love to talk about today, right Dj? First, as a timely resource as we go into the Thanksgiving season and then a recap of where we were and where we left last met each other in person together. So the first, let’s go to the first piece. What is the timely research that we’re going to share with everybody today, Dj?

DJ Chuang: Well, I’ll tell you what it is first and then if we have time for the backstory, we can talk about that. Thanksgiving is such a meaningful time for families and often the story becomes, “Hey, what are we doing for dinner? And who do we invite” and a lot of the food aspect of it and the travel aspect. I think it’s the most traveled day of the year, so a lot of traffic, a lot of airplanes, a lot of expenses and being involved with the Bible and believing it to be the most important anchor of our faith. I wonder, well, where can I find some good Bible devotions or versus, or images to commemorate thanksgiving. So it’s a personal thing. I was looking for it and I had a hard time finding it on the web.

Kenny Jahng: So it’s one of those things that’s interesting right? You just assume that their resources set up all over the web for anything that you can think of. But yet there’s so much out there, topically waiting for you, me and others to actually create, produce and publish.

DJ Chuang: Yes. So in this case, it’s a curation of what’s already produced out there because there are some things out there and they’re just scattered all over the web and so before Thanksgiving, particularly in a Christian home or you’re introducing some neighbors or friends like we’re having some friends over from my son’s college experience, they’re international students to experience Thanksgiving for the first time. So it’d be nice to open the Bible and share some things about Thanksgiving. So we put all that together, thanksgiving.bible. It’s a nice, beautiful visual interest kind of a thing and so you could find some great images and verses and devotional spree.

Kenny Jahng: Yes, I love the fact that we’ve got a resource here on the website that’s just basically helping families, making Thanksgiving more meaningful, memorable with Bible readings and Bible verses, Bible activities. It’s just inspiration, right, for you to click through and actually get inspired to potentially pull some of these resources that are these activities or some of the popular Thanksgiving Bible verses that you might review at the table or a conversation or in a devotional that day with your family. I think there’s a one stop shop, right? And I think that’s one of the key things that, GTLD like .bible allows you to do in today’s world of the Internet.

DJ Chuang: I guess that’s the question here is for the Internet. Are there other ways of fighting through the clutter that supersedes doing it at the baseline after URL, Dj?

DJ Chuang: I’m not sure how to answer that question. The thing I’m experiencing what the Internet is when I want to share a website or resource with someone I just met, like I’ve been networking with a bunch of people this week up beyond the conference that we’re going to talk about. And I was like, “Oh, the answer to your question is blank, blank, blank, URL.” And if it’s short and concise and memorable, then I don’t have to repeat myself. They don’t have to write it down and they don’t have to type really long things and I don’t have to create an email or a task to write the email to send the link and stuff. Right? So if I can make that quote unquote call to action or pass along that resources really easily and simply, it’s such a time saver and it’s incredible. I mean, it’s efficient and it cuts, declutter and I think with as many tools and things that are available today when we can get clarity and focus, it’s so important to how we do things.

Kenny Jahng: Well. You’re seeing more and more websites use these generic GTLDs, right? That are not country specific details, right? Most people don’t know, like when you’re using a bit.ly .L-Y, really is a country extension for the country of Libya. Right? People don’t know that. But it’s been interesting. I was just in the airport and I saw a big billboard banner in Newark Airport for Amazon’s AWS service and they were actually using the .AWS as part of the call to action URL. And you’re seeing that more and more. How many top level domains are there available today? Did you know, Dj?

DJ Chuang: Over 1500 and out of a blog post on get.bible And I should make a nice, your, a short URL or maybe a whole domain for that, but there’s a blog post that I’m tracking every week. How many top level domains? I think 1540 was the actual number I looked at last week. And to just kind of give you a little more of a technical background. When you say .ly Is actually Libya, .emi is another tiny little country .tv Is actually another country. So if you notice the pattern, those are two letter extensions. And so anything, anytime you see a two letter extension, it’s actually a country. So in the industry they’re called country codes. All right. And then anytime you see three characters or more, those are the new GTLDs and so that’s an easy way to sort those out and everything.

Kenny Jahng: GTLD is not available at every registrar. Right. Is there any rhyme or reason or how would you figure out for any given GTLD where you can grab it and register it?

DJ Chuang: There’s no easy way to do that yet. And there’s a few registrars that pride themselves in having everything available at one stop. And I don’t know which one that is, but I know there’s a few that really tried to be that place.

Kenny Jahng: Now for .bible itself. There are a handful of registrars that people can go to right now publicly in register one, even as they listen to this podcast, right? What are some of the places that we can actually get a domain from? I know it’s listed on get.bible right. I believe that’s get.bible/register.

DJ Chuang: That’s right, get.bible/register. It’s where we have a official list that’s continually being updated. We’re signing up new registrars, which other retail stores where you buy these top level domains. They’re signing new ones up every week. And so, some of them sell to the public, some of them are private companies that service big corporations and brands and other kinds of things that’s not available to public just to explain that, but currently we have 10 different stores, online stores where you can buy register.bible domains. Probably the one that is the biggest that people may have heard of is united domains. Have you heard of that one before?

Kenny Jahng: Yes, I’ve heard of united domains and the other one I’m looking at the list right now at get.bible/register. 101domain.com, I’ve heard of those guys before actually I think bought one or two in the past personally, but some of these others I haven’t heard of, but they’re interesting. And I guess some of these are from other countries, right? There’s the Ukraine hosting.

DJ Chuang: Portugal, Spain. I get confused because they kind of hide that location for some reason.

Kenny Jahng: It’s not listed on the site, Gandy or gandi.net is, which I believe is actually a new star related one. Right?

DJ Chuang: Possibly, one of the things with these registrars and domain back end and so on, there’s these acquisitions and mergers.

Kenny Jahng: But Gandi was operated out of France says on their website. Okay. And so there’s a whole United Domains, Encirca, Purity Names, domain.net, EuroDNS, nominate.com. I guess this is just a reminder that the domain industry is a global one. It’s not just, we tend to think as Americans that everything is US only are US centric. Right?

DJ Chuang: From Israel. nominate.com is actually in England. EuroDNS is somewhere in the EU. United Domains is actually based in Germany. So just to give you a few other countries that are broad. Yes.

Kenny Jahng: And then register.bible. Right. It’s the last one that’s publicly available that you can register on.

DJ Chuang: Yes. So we’ve made it really easy, or some of these registrars have made it really easy to remember where to get a top level domain register.bible, R-E-G-I-S-T-E-R is a registrar. That’s one of the things that’s really a tongue twister in this industry. They have registrars registries, a lot of register.

Kenny Jahng: Oh yes. Well actually it’s both, right? They have register.bible and registrar.bible,

DJ Chuang: Correct. Yes. And then the people that registered domain names, they’re called registrants and now we’re operating this top level domain and we’re called a registry.

Kenny Jahng: Registry operations. Yes. It’s almost as if you’re a conjugating verbs back in foreign language class, right?

DJ Chuang: There we go. Yes.

Kenny Jahng: Let’s just call this out a 50% off right now for getting .bible name. So if you are actually listening today and inspired to start a new website, or change your domain name to something that’s a little bit more strategic, that’s easier to remember. This is the time to do it. I guess because, I guess, Dj, the 50% offers available to any of those public registrars, right?

DJ Chuang: No, only at participating registrars, just like sales are only at participating stores when these franchises run specials. So the top three that are listed on the top of the page, registrar.bible, marcaria.com, and Ukraine are the only three that are participating registrars for this 50% off.

Kenny Jahng: Which means it’s a deal. You should go out and check it out.

DJ Chuang: It’s an amazing deal. We have had a couple of domains that retail over a thousand dollars and they were registered for half that.

Kenny Jahng: So we are actually talking a tangible savings here at get.bible. So that’s great. It’s one of those things I think that people are again getting used to seeing in the wild different types of GTLDs other than even .bible. There’s a lot of different websites out there. And then talking about innovation and I guess for rudders on the space, I’m going to pivot our conversation a little bit because we were able to actually get into the room with a bunch of innovators recently in Nashville, Tennessee. And I think that was a really interesting time for me. It was encouraging one, it was an inspiring one, because it was a different type of event and conference. Dj, what’d you think about it? We’re talking about the faithleads.tech events held at the Lifeway building in Nashville, Tennessee.

DJ Chuang: That’s right. .tech is one of the new GTLDs since we’re talking about GTLDs. I actually met a three or four .bible website users that were there. One of them was a presenter too so, that was really neat to see how it was useful and it was helpful and it really broke through the clutter and how they’re engaging the web. I laugh every time you say interesting because that’s such a safe word to say. I thought it was phenomenal and I thought it was a long time coming. So I kind of grew up with technology and the internet. I actually have a Computer Engineering degree from Virginia Tech back in ’88. So that’s pre internet, pre iPhone, pre all this and now it’s everywhere and it’s changed our lives. And so as much technology has become a part of our everyday lives and even a part of our faith, there’s not one place that leaders and thinkers and pastors can get together to talk about our faith and technology. And so this I think could be a historic time for us to really apply our understanding of God and the Bible and how we do church and how we reach people using the current technologies and either speak into creating the new technologies that are around the corner on how we can best fulfill the Great Commission and the Great Commandment.

Kenny Jahng: It just serves so many purposes. Right? I think it was interesting to see some speakers and some of the conversations at the tables where people sharing some of the obstacles but also some of the successes they’ve had or like the, I saw some conversations where people lit up and they realized they had some like overlapping common goals and they’re trying to find shared language and they’re like, “oh yeah, we’re actually trying to do the same thing.” So those are the types of conversations that was really neat to see. But then I think just overarching takeaway though for me was this event was I think the start of a building of community around the people who were in attendance. It reminded me of some other communities that we’ve actually visited recently, kind of like the Rock conference with the Rock Development Community or 16:29 [inaudible] network conference in that community. But this one just felt a little bit different. Right? The technologists, visionaries, the ministry tech leaders that were there. There definitely were some overlap, right? We saw some friends that we just recently saw it, the other conferences, but definitely a whole bunch of new people that felt, I think felt like they’ve never had a conference for themselves. And here it is. This is something for them.

DJ Chuang: That’s right. And that’s one of the social dynamics of how we relate as people and how we build communities. Communities do overlap and communities do require some kind of a regular event, either offline or online or both. Ideally both for people to stay connected and to invite new people in. And because the Internet is so big, there are Christian developer, but there are a Christian technology just, there are Christians that are interested in using technology to further the cause of the Gospel. But because it’s so big, it’s so hard to find each other. And so when people come to a conference and meet people face to face, they’re a little more and they’re invested in really wanting to further the Kingdom with others. And so it’s really nice. See openhanded people instead of people that are just, “hey, we got it all figured out, we don’t need to learn from other people.” And so it was really encouraging for me.

Kenny Jahng: The speakers were cool and it was such a wide, I mean, it was really a wide diversity of topics. What was one or two that, you know, that you still have some impact or a member of the cuff right now for you, Dj?

DJ Chuang: I really enjoyed John Dyer’s talk. He’s given a lot of thought about technology and faith. He actually wrote a book on it, so I think it’s Garden to the City. So he traces the theme of the technology throughout the entire Bible, and so even the our first ancestors created tools which are a form of technology. So he does a word study on the word technology. It’s related to the word technos, which is related to the hands. And so anything that’s an extension of what we can do physically ourselves as humans is a kind of technology. So even the Bible that we read physically on paper, that’s a technology. And then now we have iPads and iPhones and we’re wearing Bluetooth headsets. That’s a technology and technologies can very much facilitate Bible engagement. And so I really appreciate how he gave us that Biblical grounding on how we can and should use technology instead of being so cautious and being so paranoid about it.

Kenny Jahng:  Oh, absolutely. I thought, the Branden Dawson’s opener, actually something that I enjoyed because you almost think that someone from Life Church or Brandon and the digerati team would actually talk about their latest innovations or literal, you know, what they’re doing with AI or AR or etc. But he came and talked about mission and vision and it’s just very higher level things that I think was so refreshing to hear from this type of person that says, “Hey, look, here’s one way to frame it and gave us some just really helpful concepts and thoughts of how we’re stewarding the kingdom and the technology that we’ve been given with it.” And so it applies to open source, applies to collaboration and the innovation, all this stuff that they’re trying to do in the open digerati team over there at life church. But, I think it was just, it was so applicable to everybody else in the room. And just talking about what responsibility does the church have to steward technology for Kingdom impact? It was, I love the talk.

Kenny Jahng: I love meeting Robert Rouse in person. Again, they’re our friend. I think anyone listening that hasn’t been to the website. You got to go right now, hop over to a browser. We recently had him on the show and it was a great interview, but Robert’s interesting guy.

DJ Chuang: Yes, he’s really applying the whole science, actually there’s degrees now you can get as a Data Scientist. So he’s really applying science and analytics to the Bible and really opening up some recurring themes and some new insights that really helps us to see the Bible fresh with new eyes, really appreciate to meet him too. Another person I met was somebody with progress.bible. And so it was neat. You can meet the guy behind there and progress.bible Is a aiming to become a dashboard so you can see the progress of Bible translation as we move towards, we as the collective “we” move towards translating the Bible into all the languages that are currently spoken. And I think we’re under 2000 moving towards a thousand right now. So that’s just a starter site and it’s great. I think the recurring thing that just kind of popped in my head as we talked about this episode, it’s that getting started is the best step to take and so faithfully instead didn’t have everything figured out, but they felt led to take that step and convene this conference.

DJ Chuang: And so some of the pieces might have been a little disjointed. And, and I heard a little bit of confusion with some people, but because it was new and because they had an open hand it came just to make it happen was so valuable. And same thing with thanksgiving.bible. Just to make it happen. Get a website to stand up, get a domain registered. Those are first steps worth taking even though when you haven’t figured it all out. Because it becomes clearer. It becomes clear as you take the first step, then you can figure out the second step. You don’t have to figure out the thousand steps before you launch.

Kenny Jahng: Someone was talking to me recently about MVP, Minimum Viable Product and that without MVP you can’t iterate. And the whole point is to iterate. And so if you don’t have anything to iterate, you got to start somewhere and so you got to have this bias for action to get started. Yes, that’s a great one. One of the other guys that I loved, a good friend of mine, Nick Ryan from CB North America is shared what they’re trying to do on using Google ads and tying the network of churches together. They’re working with, I think over a thousand, almost as 13, 1400 local churches in the whole network together to serve up the gospel. Nick is someone that we recently interviewed on episode, I think it was episode 12 of future.bible. So if you’re listening you can go back into the archives and listen to the interview that we had with Nick Ryan and what he’s doing with this 50 state digital evangelism network basically.

Kenny Jahng: They’ve got churches in every single state that they’re working with and putting ads online with them, capturing people who are looking for different felt needs or life transitions or different things that are related to faith and then trying to connect them with local, offline ministries, which I think is very interesting use of technology. So it’s a great practical evangelism, being shared of how, you know, how they’re doing it. So that was a great talk.

Kenny Jahng: One of the things I loved is the backstage. There was this a backstage area. You know, you and I have the privilege of interviewing and talking and chatting up with some of the speakers and sharing, some of the offstage chat with people on the live stream, right future.bible, was a cosponsor with American Bible society and some others to make that live stream happens so that churches and teams and individuals actually across the globe, there were some international people that logged on that we’re able to watch and tap into the live stream for free, which I thought was a great opportunity. It was fun, right? In that backstage area.

DJ Chuang: Yes. You, you emceed the most of those interviews with great ease and energy and people enjoy watching that from all over the world. We even got a couple emails in from people that were watching and they were really grateful. One in particular that one of the presenters had his family watching from home and it was the first time they got to see that happen. So they were very grateful. Here’s one of the anomalies in the 21st century that I think some of our older or yes, I’ll say older traditional church leaders need to understand is that we had more people online than we had in the room with us. And traditionally we’ve really worked hard at getting a building and managing facilities and make sure we have enough seats for people. But it’s a new world. There’s going to be more people online when you live stream or when you present your content outside the room, than inside the room and we got to see that, that faithleads.tech.

Kenny Jahng: And they’re going to actually, the number was a multiple. It wasn’t just like one to one point one, right? It was a multiple higher degree of people being able to experience it online and then it’s going to continue on because right? Because Lifeway is taking all of those speaker talks and then cleaned them up and putting them up online for, on demand access in perpetuity. And this is one of those things that I love because conferences are expensive to go to these days, right? It is expensive to take even a team. Forget about just one or two people to go consumed content and meet other people. But one of the great things about these on demand options that conferences are allowing these days is it allows you to do almost like what I love is a Lunch and Learn, right? Reserve a conference room and get your, invite your team together and then grab lunch and then watch one or two these speakers and this is actually the type of conference where the content is, I love the fact that the content is, you have a selection of speakers. If you have the on demand pass that you can cherry pick one or two of them that are applicable either to a very narrow, like a team, very specific team or one that’s open to every, maybe all your key volunteers even because they’re inspirational and they’re general topic and you don’t need to nerd out that you actually, and some are just very, who is a speaker talking about a double physiology, connecting creation theology with a temple theology. That was Dan Hodges, right? I think he was the one.

DJ Chuang: I missed that talk, but I heard some quiet, duality kind of thing.

Kenny Jahng: Yes. He started with dualism and went through the whole. So that type of talk is something I think is edifying to everybody in your church staff team or volunteer or even your life groups or small groups. It’s something that you can do to change it up or maybe it’s between curriculums. If your small group is taking a break, you could use this as one of those in between meetings, content for that. So anyway, I’m thankful that Lifeway has made that decision to be able to offer that to people afterwards and it’s cheap, it’s only $35 for to get all the conference recordings, which I thought, thank you Lifeway for making that happen. Again, I love the fact that you’ve got the stuff that, you know, there was all this energy, all this effort, all this budget, getting people into the same room, flying the speakers in and now you’re able to steward the content and the teachings that these guys had a pay it forward by making it such an accessible piece for other teams to take advantage of.

DJ Chuang: So that leads to one question open, well how do people get it?

Kenny Jahng: Well, it’s great for the conference website, which is a faithleads.tech www.faithleads.tech and then I think there’s, I think by now, yes, they must have by now put up a or a button or an option to download all those conferences recordings by now.

DJ Chuang: Yes. Right now.

Kenny Jahng: Act right now. So yes, that’s a good conference recap. And so was, I was just sharing the URL. I’m just going to go on a tangent here. Dj, do you feel the need with GTLDs to insert the www in beforehand? I said www.faithleads.tech. Do you think we need to keep on saying that or you think is intuitive that people just know that tech, that’s the website you go to get.bible?

DJ Chuang: I think the verdict is split. I think the last research that the inner corporation did, about 54% of people have heard of one new GTLD but they don’t know them all. I mean nobody knows them all, but that also means half of the people have not heard of new GTLDS. So depending on the audience, you might use the www and I think when it’s audio I usually do not use www. I use www only in some written or typed format and I’ve noticed that you always use it and I never used www.

Kenny Jahng: Yes, that’s why I bring it up. That’s one thing I have noticed. We’ve never ever talked about it out loud and so it’s interesting. I think just for sake of clarity and helping, you know, just from my point of view, I think it’s taking that extra step to help somebody who may not know, just make it that much easier for them is probably the reason why I stick on that www. whenever I talk about it. But I think you’re right at this point, we’re probably almost at the tipping point where everyone has, you know, 50% of the population has seen, heard or used one of the new detail these. So you probably don’t need to, especially when you’re using . right? If you’re referring to it as a website and then you say something with a . in there, I think that’s signal enough at this point.

DJ Chuang: And then people just need the one experience of what the is about and then, and then they’re past the barrier then. Oh, good introduction. And then they’re on the other side of that 15.

Kenny Jahng: Yes. I know from an adoption point of view, we’ve had many people, at least with this registry alone for .bible, I’ve talked to many .bible website owners now that have either made the transition or launched a new website using .bible, right? So some of from scratch, they’ve registered a .bible website address and they launched the website from scratch and they have to build up their audience and their readership, etc. And then there are others that have had previous websites, whether it be a .com.org, something else, and then made the transition from branding purposes to the .bible domain. I have not, I still have yet to have a single person I’ve had a conversation with that has complained about visibility, awareness or that usage that people get confused. People actually are not being confused about, but have you had any feedback from .bible website owners, GTLD website owners where they’ve said it’s not worth it or there’s so much friction or that they have to go the extra mile and communicating that it is an actual website address. I really have not heard that at least anecdotally,

DJ Chuang: Maybe one or two out of thousands. So it’s not absolute. But there are some speed bumps. A rare occasion, well, once I found most impressive or two most impressive is that one church actually registered a .bible domain and they just use it as a redirect to another webpage because it makes communication so succinct, clear, memorable and easy. So h2ochurch.bible is how they communicate and how they invite people to read the Bible with the church. And, that’s amazing. I mean, you can just, so instead of using URLs, people are beginning to use domain names to connect people to resources.

Kenny Jahng: It makes sense since in this world where everything goes towards specialization, that piece of real state doesn’t just stay generic without any value. Right, without any mega value.

DJ Chuang: Yes. So the other one that impressed me and so we created this part. One of the reasons we’ve created, one of the reason we created the people that created .bible, American Bible Society, 200 year old organization, this is their third century of innovation. They want to open the space for innovation. And this other thing that I wouldn’t have thought of. There’s the institute for bible reading. No. Yes. Love those guys. They’re using a .bible domain just for email. Yes. So they’re not using it for a website or landing page or sort of the very common. They’re just using it for email because so much easier to type a short domain name then long one that this their website, which is, I think it’s spell it all out is for biblereading.com.

Kenny Jahng: Yes. That is., well, it’s just, it’s a testimony to just the practicality of a short domain name and functionally emails something that you’re typing in all the time where you’re asking other people to type in. And so that’s a great, I love that case study or the use of that, that they’re using it because it’s a shorthand way to keep their identity and keep their mission in front of people. But yet practically speaking, you’re not making someone type in like 50 characters just for every single email that they send you.

Kenny Jahng: So that sums it up for today. I think those are the types of things that we want to share and talk about. We had, thanksgiving.bible, which is a great no aggregation resource and it’s, I think a great case study of how you would use GTLD very specific niche focused functionality, and using that resource to make it public available. Curation is at the crux of that website, which is a great, great resources that was started. And then the recap of faithleads.tech and I guess we just walked into it kind of semi unintentional, but really, an encouragement for anybody here that’s listening to check out the spot that the speakers that were at the events and potentially by the conference recordings and share it with some teams. I think it really is a different type of conference and a different type of message and the variety of talks. There were some that were very focused on sharing what they’re doing practically occasionally. There’s some that talked about Innovation and what’s next. There’s something that really talks about Bible theology and how it fits into the lens of technology and innovation and who we are as technologists, as communIcators, as people of the Bible, of the book. And so, there you have it. So, you know, I think that was a good conversation that we had, Dj.

DJ Chuang: That was a great wrap up in summary. Thank you. Kenny always fit to see you and talk with you.

Kenny Jahng: And so, hopefully next couple of weeks we’ve got a couple of good interviewees lined up. I’m excited and we’ll get back into the rhythm of sharing some other people’s stories and other people, other organizations, and just, here’s, here’s a shout out to, the recordings that we already have already produced. There’s videos, transcriptions, and show notes available on our website and Dj, I’ll give you the honors to share what the website is that everyone can go to immediately and a binge watch or binge listen to, more of the podcasts that we have here.

DJ Chuang: Okay, stay connected wIth us and let’s listen, subscribe at future.bible.

Kenny Jahng: I love the fact they put www in front of it.

DJ Chuang: Yes, that was for you, Kenny.

Kenny Jahng: Thank you DJ. Thank you friends for being with us. We’ll check you here next time. I’m Kenny Jahng and Dj Chuang here signing off, hoping you have a great thanksgiving.

HIGHLIGHTS

02:33 So it’d be nice to open the Bible and share some things about Thanksgiving. So we put all that together, thanksgiving.bible. It’s a nice, beautiful visual interest kind of a thing and so you could find some great images and verses and devotional spree.

04:26  I want to share a website or resource with someone I just met, like I’ve been networking with a bunch of people this week up beyond the conference that we’re going to talk about. And I was like, “Oh, the answer to your question is blank, blank, blank, URL.” And if it’s short and concise and memorable, then I don’t have to repeat myself. They don’t have to write it down and they don’t have to type really long things and I don’t have to create an email or a task to write the email to send the link and stuff. Right? So if I can make that quote unquote call to action or pass along that resources really easily and simply, it’s such a time saver and it’s incredible. I mean, it’s efficient and it cuts through declutter and I think with as many tools and things that are available today when we can get clarity and focus, it’s so important to how we do things.

06:55 So if you notice the pattern, those are two letter extensions. And so anything, anytime you see a two letter extension, it’s actually a country. So in the industry they’re called country codes. All right. And then anytime you see three characters or more, those are the new GTLDs and so that’s an easy way to sort those out and everything.

10:05 But Gandi was operated out of France says on their website. Okay. And so there’s a whole United Domains, Encirca, Purity Names, domain.net, eurodns.com. I guess this is just a reminder that the domain industry is a global one. It’s not just, we tend to think as Americans that everything is US only

14:54 as much technology has become a part of our everyday lives and even a part of our faith, there’s not one place that leaders and thinkers and pastors can get together to talk about our faith and technology. And so this I think could be a historic time for us to really apply our understanding of God and the Bible and how we do church and how we reach people using the current technologies and either speak into creating the new technologies that are around the corner on how we can best fulfill the Great Commission and the Great Commandment

17:10 Communities do overlap and communities do require some kind of a regular event, either offline or online or both. Ideally both for people to stay connected and to invite new people in. And because the Internet is so big, there are Christian developer, but there are a Christian technology just, there are Christians that are interested in using technology to further the cause of the Gospel. But because it’s so big, it’s so hard to find each other. And so when people come to a conference and meet people face to face, they’re a little more and they’re invested in really wanting to further the Kingdom with others. And so it’s really nice. See openhanded people instead of people that are just, “hey, we got it all figured out, we don’t need to learn from other people.”

20:26 And so it applies to open source, applies to collaboration and the innovation, all this stuff that they’re trying to do in the open digerati team over there at life church. But, I think it was just, it was so applicable to everybody else in the room. And just talking about what responsibility does the church have to steward technology for Kingdom impact?

22:43 some of the pieces might have been a little disjointed. And, and I heard a little bit of confusion with some people, but because it was new and because they had an open hand it came just to make it happen was so valuable. And same thing with thanksgiving.bible. Just to make it happen. Get a website to stand up, get a domain registered. Those are first steps worth taking even though when you haven’t figured it all out. Because it becomes clearer. It becomes clear as you take the first step, then you can figure out the second step. You don’t have to figure out the thousand steps before you launch.

26:22 Here’s one of the anomalies in the 21st century that I think some of our older or yes, I’ll say older traditional church leaders need to understand is that we had more people online than we had in the room with us. And traditionally we’ve really worked hard at getting a building and managing facilities and make sure we have enough seats for people. But it’s a new world. There’s going to be more people online when you live stream or when you present your content outside the room, than inside the room and we got to see that, that faithleads.tech.

32:33 we’re probably almost at the tipping point where everyone has, you know, 50% of the population has seen, heard or used one of the new detail these. So you probably don’t need to, especially when you’re using .  right? If you’re referring to it as a website and then you say something with a . in there, I think that’s signal enough at this point